在reddit回答过一次的问题,我觉得差不多算我对第八季的观感,贴过来记录下
When I read comments defending Clara by calling her an “independent and strong woman with equal importance as the Doctor”, I feel like what these people are defending is theideaof Clara, not her actual execution on screen.
The classic "tell with no show" writing style of Moffat sets the audience up with what Clara should be, can be, and wants to be. However, the actual episode-to-episode plot, dialogue, and dynamic with the Doctor sabotage Moffat's plan and turn the audience against Clara, because we do not find that intended connection or relation by watching the show ourselves.
We are constantly forced by the writers to applaud for her independency or strong character, while all she does is manipulating, abusing, and lying. It's like the writers give Clara a giant label read as "GOOD", then do whatever they want with her because she carries that label with her everywhere and is hence excused from whatever problem she causes.
As a companion, she is supposed to stand for humanity and morality, making the alien Doctor more sympathetic and kind. A character can totally do that while still having her own strong personality. A perfect example is Donna. Donna also disagrees with 10th constantly, but still can be gentle or firm in her own way to persuade and educate him. Clara does not have that likable quality to her, and most of the time her approach of choice is to slap, scold, or yell at the Doctor to get what she wants.
What is more awful is that it works.
The 12th Doctor tolerates her, even indulges her. No matter how problematic, selfish or stubborn Clara is, the Doctor does not clap back. He can be very cruel or indifferent in flashing moments when he faces the fragility of the human kind, but he is always vulnerable and compliant in front of Clara and all of her lies.
I think people also dislike Clara for what she does to the Doctor, or what she fails to offer him. She does not make 12th a better Doctor or a better man. People claim that she is the Doctor's equal. While in fact Clara thinks she is above him. She makes him suffer and it is horrifying to see how much he seems to enjoy the suffering. I feel bad for 12th and Peter Capaldi because they deserve a better companion. They deserve a better friendship. And better writing.
The relationship with Danny Pink is another example of "tell with no show". Clara quickly blurts out "because I love him!!" early in s8, when all we have seen from previous episodes so far are their unpleasant first date and awkward conversations at school. There is absolutely no chemistry between the actors and the dialogue is frustratingly bland. We are supposed to understand how much Clara loves this man who lacks personality and character. We are told to root for them by the writers who throw in a lot of "I love you"s throughout the season without showing how that love grows, flourishes, and matures.
Again, the ideaof Clara finding a new love interest and having a life outside the Tardis is a good story arc, but fails tremendously for the way it is actually carried out.
When you ask why people dislike Clara, they pull out receipts from various episodes in different seasons where her action, decision or exact lines show how annoying or un-enjoyable she is. When people defender her, the reasons are more likely to be "she's independent and strong", "she's a woman", "you don't like her because she's important". -- No, people dislike her because she is actuallynot likable. Not all of us can like a character for who she is supposed to be.
Also, I personally dislike her because I see how much potential she has and how that potential gets wasted, episode by episode, till she is no longer recognizable. I do not hate her. I just feel disappointed with her. And the creator of her as well. Clara reminds me of all the flaws of Moffat's writing during his era. All of his incoherenceand the tendency to come up with a fantastic idea only to drag it for way too long till the sparkle dies.
In a metaphorical sense, the vessel of Clara as a character is beautiful and promising, but there is nothing exciting or intriguing inside.
I dislike her the most when I am actually watching the show. When I'm away from the screen, my memory blurs a bit and I find her less frustrating. Over time, theidea of her has gradually replaced what she is really like in my head. But I re-watched some episodes this week and then saw this thread. I realize that she never grew on me. I simply forgot her flaws because there were too many and thinking about them is very unpleasant.
——法师是真疯,博士是伪善
「Peter Capaldi is f*cking fabulous but 12 deserves better plot and better companion!!!!! 」
一、博士其人
从10直接跳12一开始各种不适,因为10好像特别圣母特别救世主谁都想救,但其实他俩本质上还是一样的。墓地那边Missy对12说“你看看你周围的人,一个个都愿意为你去死”,熟悉吗?S4E12里Skaro对10说过一样的。Pink变成赛博需要起子最后activate,Clara还在情感挣扎而12毫不犹豫的说I NEED you to…然后把起子给Clara,被Pink讥讽是“typical officer, got to keep those hands clean(典型的军官,自己的双手从来不沾染鲜血)”,熟悉吗?Davros也对10说过“看看你,自己说不杀戮,却把同伴都变成了战士(Warrior)” 。10时期为他而死的素昧平生之人还不够多吗?S4E12里曾经有一段闪回过所有那些画面。但看着10那双含泪的大眼睛和咬着牙绝望的大喘气,你总觉得天生欠他点什么,好像为了他死呢都值得;12这边好像没什么牺牲动力,猫头鹰就会用他的老年眉毛瞪着你——不过不管怎么样作为配角的你都是要死,一种情况是被恃美行凶,一个精虫上脑就光荣牺牲成就10;另一种是虽然不服气但也只能就这么死为12铺路——横竖都是死,就别追求什么心理安慰了。
10是圣母吗?不是。无论是落跑新娘还是火星之水,10的黑暗可见一斑。“the timelord victorious”只不过是漫画《蝙蝠侠:黑暗骑士归来》当中Batman的“我即是法律”换一个说法。10和12从来都是一个人,这人就是博士,宇宙级烂人,只不过10更加虚伪藏得好些罢了。
二、12C是邪教cp
Clara这一角色非常奇怪,中间差点因此弃剧。可以看出莫胖想努力写出一个不落窠臼的非情侣关系的同伴,既和博士旅行,又完全顾好自己的daily life,但最后写的不三不四,尽管官方好像曾经盖章说12C其实是父女般的关系——这更奇怪了。首先是11变12的不适应,明明经历过《博士之日》,她应当是最清楚博士重生规则的旅伴,结果到S8立刻翻脸。
12在这一季唯Clara是从,眼里也只有Clara,只要她没事其他人死不死都无所谓——连S2时期10和Rose明显是恋人关系的时候都不会这么表现:10想要保全每一个在场的人并对他们之中的一些不幸遭遇意外感到难过,而12则立刻欣然接受,反正死的不是Clara。这一季Clara在Pink和12之间反复横跳,甚至都没搞明白Clara和Pink怎么产生情感基础的结果就在一起了,Clara不断在蒙混Pink,又一直对12各种提要求不满足就翻脸,根本不是一句control freak可以解释的。Clara和12的针锋相对可以看出莫胖也想写出Donna那种不服就上的性格,但Donna就是Donna,Clara成不了Donna。
三、刀马=蝙丑
Missy在墓地边带着哭腔对12控诉”I want you to know that we are NOT so different!”,而漫画《蝙蝠侠:致命玩笑》里Joker也曾对Batman说你我是一样的:“同样是经历过糟糕的一天,不然你干嘛穿的像个会飞的老鼠一样?”如果说十绵时期的刀马是绵斯特远远跑在前面,10被甩在后面追,那Twissy时期确如Missy所说是“I’ve been up and down your timeline, to know that you’re JUST like me!(我在你的时间线上来来往往,你需要知道你我是一类人)”。成为Mr.President代表地球和全人类的12,和扮作Harold Saxon的绵斯特有什么分别?区别只在法师凭自身力量征服,而博士依靠伪善被推贤。
Joker的存在就是为了纠正Batman自以为的“纯粹之善”:我就愿意和你反着来,如果你是纯粹的善,那么我就是纯粹的恶。刀马、蝙丑到头来都是对方的硬币之一体两面,连属性和上下都完全一样(喂怎么突然开车)(但master和Joker确实都是伪装成s的m…………)诚如上面所说,博士这种宇宙级烂人也只有法师能hold住了,建议原地结婚发生基因交流。
一个意难平在于,Missy是那么爱12,初次见面的snog就用上了舌头,而12在墓地敷衍的吻了吻Missy,Missy难以置信的连眼睛都不舍得闭上。想想十绵时期无论是S3E12里10抱着不愿重生而“死”的绵斯特哭到撕心裂肺,还是《时之终结:下》里直接把绵斯特表白哭,10明显比12更爱法师。除了用12的眼里进了Clara以外,似乎都没法解释,所以Clara的角色定位就显得更奇怪了。
四、我们为什么需要博士
我们为什么需要博士?我们到底需不需要博士?承认博士的必要性就是肯定英雄史观和有神论,认为无论闹剧如何,最终都会有一个“机械降神”(见尼采《悲剧的诞生》)来收拾残局拯救一切。但如果细数每季季终“最大的麻烦”就会发现最终起作用的从来都不是博士:S2是Rose牺牲自己将打雷全部扔进void空间,S3是Martha徒步全球传播信念恢复了博士来对抗法师,S4是Donna触发了10.5同时自己变成Doctor Donna一起开着Tardis回来拯救了全场,(跳过11,我没看),S8是Pink自己主动赛博化并带领其他赛博人飞向天空自我引爆结束纷乱……如果再加上每季季中的短集,就会发现永远都是那些“小人物”,那些普通的人类一个个牺牲成就了最终的“胜利”,“人民群众造就了历史”医治了一切,他/她们是真正的Doctor,而博士充其量就是一个推手、一个精神象征、一个麦高芬。
没有人叫博士(Doctor),“博士”不过是博士给自己选的名字,是他希望自己努力成为的目标。博士在Academy Era(学院时期)叫Theta,而那时候法师叫Koschei,他们快乐地在法师父亲的红草地上奔跑。后来的故事大家也都知道了,他偷了辆Tardis遨游宇宙,而他的初衷真的是去各个星球玩,而不是拯救那个星球,博士没那么高的姿势水平。
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”Never be cruel and never be cowardly, and if you ever are, always make amends.”
《时之终结:下》里Wilfred问10:“你都900多岁了,看着我们这些人类,一定觉得像蚂蚁一样渺小吧?“10摇了摇头说“不,我觉得你们像巨人一样伟大。”
上一次看可能还是五六年之前的博士之时,最近突然又想追了,于是接着第八季看起。
第一集的主题也很明确,借由博士质问机器人的话,“当你不停的换去身上的零件时,你还是你么?”,这句既是对机器人的拷问,更是博士对自己的独白。每一次重生都是新的皮囊,面对着新的旅程。而这一次显得更加特别,作为打破十二次规律的新一次重生,连doctor自己也没有适应这一次的重生,变得迷茫,甚至忘了怎么使用tardis。而clara更是无法适应,doctor换了一张满是皱纹的脸,生着灰白头发。不过二人最终还是适应了这次变化,doctor是在与流浪汉和机器人的两次交流中找回了自己,纵使皮囊变化了,但他的内心并未变化,他始终是那个doctor。doctor与机器人最大的不同,就是经历了十三次重生后He never changed his heart. 而clara,在机器人餐馆和doctor的冒险让她清楚地了解,他还是那个doctor,那个“狡猾”的doctor。而在本集结尾,clara收到了11th重生前的电话,嘱咐她照顾好现在的“老头”自己,clara答应了,她愿意和doctor继续冒险,换了张脸,但是他依然是过去的那个doctor。
前面几集的设定太低能了。。。P.S.好讨厌粉红兵哥哥!!讨厌恋爱中的克拉拉!!各种低能!!!魔法特你这什么情况你恋爱了还是失恋了????
个性古怪偏执无动于衷没有人类感情的外星爷爷侦探才是我心中的Doctor啊!!那些陪着青春少女谈恋爱的美貌偶像少年们滚远点好嘛!第一集的感情戏还是太多了拖拉。。为了照顾花痴少女的玻璃心么!
-Why don't you like hugging, doctor? -Never trust a hug. it's just a way to hide your face.
如此有钱的剧组我已经不认识了!!!新片头&结尾看着都好想哭...
一块钱特效,五毛钱剧本,皮卡叔大赞,魔法特差评!*四星全给萌萌哒皮卡叔*
叔再好也拯救不了糟烂的剧本和空洞的花瓶~
用了半个多季才开始get到12的节奏…用了整整一季才开始feel for克拉拉和12…最后一集什么也不说了,先让我哭一会……
皮卡叔我爱你!这季质量最多三星...五星给皮卡叔,那褶子脸,妖娆的手,女王的范。克拉拉继续崩坏,怎么说呢...就是魔法特过度消费这角色!finale她和丹尼的戏看得我直翻白眼...最后一段和皮卡叔两个liar倒有一点点点戳泪点
这一季又名:克拉拉不高兴。
我要是说我觉得是克拉拉让博士变成了一个更不好的人,你们会不会揍我。虽然被打上了control freak的标签,但我丝毫看不出她坚持的到底是什么,充满了双重甚至多重标准。博士像一个工具,做着一切讨好她的事情,既不是一个浪漫的要拯救所有人的博士,也不是一个铁血的追求最优选择的博士。
本季最开心的事:粉红死了。本季最惊奇的事:身为小11粉竟然爱上了皮卡叔的12任。本季最喜欢的一集:蜥蜴夫人和小姑娘出场那一集。下一季最大希望:再来多点复古元素好吗!
季终集呵呵呵呵只能说Dalek girl和Cyberman boy果然是一对绝配哦呵呵呵呵呵。这季真的只有805和809好看。皮卡叔和Missy太棒,魔法特狗男女负分滚
反正魔法特接棒以后,我就觉得所有的同伴都特别神烦(rory除外,可能其他同伴都太自我中心了),想念rose, 想念donna
最讨厌的同伴恋人以及同伴。永远无法理解一个穿越了博士时间线的人居然比rose还适应不了重生,这个女孩一点都不不可思议了。
\ missy missy missy,so brilliant and bright,oh moffat you die!!!!! /
这姑娘真是目前为止最不喜欢的一个
一季到八季见证了刀客特剧组从三毛特效到三万特效的转变= = 这么有钱的剧组你谁【。
魔法特脑洞太大我好烦躁!好喜欢皮卡叔~最后一集又是噱头大于实际剧情。。。求圣诞特辑治愈我的心
最后的坑真的是。。。。。。。被魔法特烦死(进入DW圈的入门课) 皮卡叔萌萌哒
20200218 果然我还是喜欢小11的 纵使他对岳母一家的偏爱 不怎么心水克拉拉的原因是 她的智慧太刻意了 就像是导演安排好的那种 好吧 其实也是导演编剧的事 但就是觉得克拉拉有点出戏 演技无可挑剔 就是太金手指了 虽说是米西一手策划 但是克拉拉也太顺风顺水了吧 捂脸 博士一点没有怀疑 好吧 11居然守着圣诞几千年 12为了克拉拉也守了三千年 所以 博士到底几多岁了。。。。