长篇影评
1 ) 绝望的用自己的角,戳自己
拳击题材的电影拍成这样,已经没有后路了。一个拳击手的赛场胜利,不会给观众传达出任何的兴奋点。它反其道而行,让你觉得每一次赛场胜利,都是人生的失败。德尼罗饰演的拳手,处事方式只有暴力。他就只会暴力。与处事偏软一些的弟弟相比,公牛杰克就是一头畜生。他悲哀的缘由,在于赛场胜利不能带给他安全感。公牛深知赛场上的一切,都只是赛场上的而已。挥出去的拳头,能把对手击倒。但当它打在妻子脸上,击倒的就是自己。斯科塞斯让公牛成为了尖锐的自我矛盾体,他弱化了拳击,重点刻画的是拳击手无望的生活。似乎成功,对于拳击手来说不过是失败的另一面。他变成自己曾经唾弃的单口相声表演者时,拳击手的灵魂封闭在后台准备时的对镜自我激励里。他在后台对着空气打拳,拳头出去后,打到的依旧是自己。
这才是真的绝望主义吧。
2 ) 我们真的无力改变吗
到底,我们都得遵从这个世界的规则,学会说客套话,做自己鄙夷的事。
有实力不是全部。
人的一个性格缺陷,就注定了他一生的命运。虽然明明知道,却无力改变。或者是像揭克那样,失去所有,穷困潦倒之后,才不得不改变自己。
3 ) 《愤怒的公牛》:自虐狂、撒臆症、不回头
马丁•斯科塞斯接受奥斯卡招安的那一刻,估计很多他的影迷的感受都是五味杂陈,当然有欣慰,但也难免有失落。奥斯卡也扎针入肉,但疼只是疼一下,而斯科塞斯会划一道口子;奥斯卡是救赎,而斯科塞斯是解剖。两回事。所以对待一部《愤怒的公牛》,奥斯卡可以表彰德尼罗的热,却拒绝了斯科塞斯的冷。
杰克•拉莫塔是1949年的世界中量级拳击冠军,他写了一部自传,剖析了自己的一生。德尼罗把它推荐给斯科塞斯,三个意大利裔的纽约人的灵魂产生了共鸣。当时的斯科塞斯麻烦缠身,吸毒,然后离婚,濒临破产,看到这本自传,像是找到了一个发泄的出口。
拉莫塔一路打上来,非常顺利,拳拳到肉的镜头在斯科塞斯的快速剪辑下极具张力,没办法,为了不让观众过于关注暴力,只好把全片的色彩调成了黑白。拉莫塔是个相信用拳头说话的人,所以当他抱怨自己的手小的像个娘们、打不上重量级时,那伤感可是发自肺腑的。
就算是他犯了错,为了前途和黑社会妥协打了一场假拳,但休息室中的抱头痛哭还是让我们原谅了他。什么是好人,犯了错,改正了,才是好人。成功需要代价,当拉莫塔挎上世界拳王的金腰带,走到角落向失败者表示安慰,一瞬间简直让人以为是在看励志片。
拳坛不是久留之地,拉莫塔的离开印证了海明威的名言:可以被毁灭,但不能被打倒。他挺在拳击台边鼻口蹿血,不肯倒下,嘴里还骂骂咧咧,真是老美的一贯作风。但好在他还是坦然接受了,越混越差也无所谓,先是自己开夜总会,再是给人打工做脱口秀小丑,没看他怎么失落。
1980年离现在不远,就算电影说的是1940年代的事,再即便从“非女权主义”的角度讲,一个处在“事业上升期”的大老爷们打老婆也非常说不过去。就算维琪和他人的亲嘴有点小暧昧,但拉莫塔的干醋吃得还是相当让人摇头。
如果不一棍子打成小心眼的话,那么拉莫塔肯定就是在撒臆症。他越是专情于维琪越是疑神疑鬼,越是执着于拳击越是患得患失,越是纵情于声色越是内心空虚。拉莫塔在争名逐利的压力中迷失了自己,打老婆只是外在的表现之一。
没有回头路,只能往前扛,也许这就是生命的不圆满。这样的人,我们同情却无法同情得彻底,憎恨也无法憎恨得彻底。那种电影中见惯了的是非分明的英雄和恶棍,在这里全都不见,混合成一个拉莫塔,也成为一个真实的人。
人无完人,每一个角色都会犯错,不犯错的人不可信。就像拉莫塔蹲了局子,以头撞墙,简直是自虐狂,但其实那不是忏悔,而是要让自己明白,我不是一个混蛋。所以再怎么灰,这个电影还是有正面的指向。每一个有梦想的人,背面就会有欲望;每一个努力过的人,背后就是挣扎。“人是否有罪,我不知道,我只知道,我曾经是一个瞎子,我现在能看见了。”
4 ) 我曾经是一个瞎子,我现在能看见了
拳击的暴力、野蛮被揭露得淋漓尽致并富有诗意。拳坛不是久留之地,拉莫塔的离开印证了海明威的名言:可以被毁灭,但不能被打倒。
拉莫塔越是专情于维琪越是疑神疑鬼,越是执着于拳击越是患得患失,越是纵情于声色越是内心空虚。拉莫塔在争名逐利的压力中迷失了自己,打老婆只是外在的表现之一。
没有回头路,只能往前扛,也许这就是生命的不圆满。
每一个有梦想的人,背面就会有欲望;每一个努力过的人,背后就是挣扎。人是否有罪,我不知道,我只知道,我曾经是一个瞎子,我现在能看见了。
5 ) Raging Bull in Scorsese on Scorsese
摘自《Scorsese on Scorsese》一书中,Scorsese对这部电影的回顾。
Scorsese began working on a new script with Jay Cocks entitled Night Life, about a fraternal rivalry. But by the end of 1978 his marriage had broken up, he was in poor health and in a severe state depression. It was at this jucture that Raging Bull, the life story of former boxing champion Jake La Motta, offered a way out of his crime and personal impasse. It became, as Scorsese later acknowledged, a means of redemption.
When I was doing Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore, De Niro gave me the book Raging Bull.... In this book, they tried to give a reason for everything Jake did in his life, for his guilt and for his violence. It was very bad,
Right after New York, New York, during those two-and-a-half years from 1976 yo 1978, I went through a lot of problems. The film was not successful, and I was very depressed. I finally came out of it when I was in hospital on Labor Day weekend 1978, and De Niro came to visit me and he said, 'You know, we can make this picture.' There were three or four scripts which had been written in the meantime, and they had all been rejected. I didn't like any of them and didn't pay much attention, because I was in pretty bad shape. And Bob said, 'Listen, we could really do a great job on this film. Do you want to make it?' I found myself saying, 'Yeah.' I understood then what Jake was, but only after having gone through a similar experience. I was just lucky that there happened to be a project there ready for me to express this. The decision to make the film was made then.
I was fascinated by the self-destructive side of Jake La Motta's character, his very basic emotions. What could be more basic than making a living by hitting another person on the head until one of you falls or stops?
I put everything I knew and felt into that film and I thought it would be the end of my career. It was what I call kamikaze way of making movies: Pour everything in, then forget all about it and go find another way of life.
…So on this island Bob and I were looking at each other, and he said that On the Waterfront was our iconography, not Shakespeare, so why don’t we use it?
I pointed out that this would mean De Niro playing Jake La Motta playing Marlon Brando Playing Terry Malone! The only way to do it was to make it so cold that you concentrate on the words and you feel him finally coming to some sort of peace with himself in front of that mirror. And that’s the way we did it, in nineteen takes. Sometimes Jake himself would really act it out in a very strong way which was quite heartbreaking, and Bobby did it that way three times. It was the last day of shooting, and I think used take 13 in the end. One reviewer in America wrote that it’s the most violent scene in the film. When he says in the mirror, ‘It was you, Charlie,’ is he playing his brother, or putting the blame on himself? It’s certainly very disturbing for me.
Bob got to know Jake well and he worked with him a great deal just to be with him. I think he actually took care of Jake. When we shot the boxing scenes we had Jake there for ten weeks. After they completed, Bob looked at him and Jake said, ‘Yeah, I know, goodbye.’ Bob said, ‘That’s right.’ The dramatic scenes bear little attention to what actually happened.
I always find the antagonist more interesting than the protagonist in the drama, the villain more interesting than the good guy. Then there’s what I guess is a decidedly Christian point of view: ‘Who are we to judge, to point out the speck in our brother’s eye, while we have a beam in our own eye?’ Jake La Motta acted much tougher in real life than he appeared in the film. The script originally showed much worse things about him, but I found it impossible to show them – you could over twenty years, but in the space of two hours there is a risk of forcing them out of context. Nevertheless, I find these characters fascinating. Obviously, I find elements of myself in them and I hope people in the audience do too, and can maybe learn from them and find some sort of peace.
… I was never a fight fan. I saw two fights at Madison Square Gardens for research and the first image I drew was the bloody sponge. Then the second time I went, I was in the fifth row from the front, and I saw the blood coming off the rope. As the next bout was announced, no one took any notice of it.
I felt that Jake used everybody to punish himself, especially in the ring. When he fights ‘Sugar’ Ray Robinson, why does he really take that beating for fifteen rounds? Jake himself said that he was playing possum. Well, that may be Jake in reality, but Jake on the screen is something else. He takes the punishment for what he feels he’s done wrong. And then he’s thrown in jail, he’s just faced with a wall, and so with the real enemy for the first time – himself. Jonathan Demme gave me a portrait of Jake made by a folk artist and around the edge of this piece of slate war carved, ‘Jake fought like he didn’t deserve to live.’ Exactly. I made a whole movie and this guy did it in one picture.
Bob is a very generous actor and he will be even stronger when the other guy’s in close-up. Often I steal lines from the speeches we film over his shoulder, because some of them are so good. And he really gets other actors to act to his scenes. For example, when Jake asks Joey, ‘Did you fuck my wife?’ I had written a seven-page scene, the only full-length dialogue scene in the film. When he asks the question, you see Joey asking him back, ‘What, how could you say that?’ I told Bob I wasn’t getting enough reaction from Joe Pesci. He told me to roll the camera again, and then said, ‘Did you fuck your mother?’ When you see the film again, look at Joe’s reaction! I like that kind of help. You have to throw your ego out of the door: you can’t take it into the rehearsal room and you can’t take it on the set.
…De Niro’s not really a student of any particular method of acting.
6 ) 从《愤怒的公牛》说到斯科塞斯电影里的人物
“我不想变成环境的产物,我想要环境成为我的产物。”
在我最初喜欢上看电影的年代,我记得《无间道风云》是对我影响至深的一部电影,我被电影里刻画出的两个卧底在痛苦和绝望中挣扎,却无力挣脱命运的咏叹调深深吸引了,这句开场白,对斯科塞斯电影的人物命运似乎也具有某种概括性,在他最重要的那些作品中,主角和环境的相互作用往往是影片较深层次的内容,在这些角色的身上,通常具有浓烈的反抗精神而不断被环境所围困。从影片叙述的故事出发作延伸,便可使观众对导演的世界观作一些有根据的推断了。
这里所讲的“环境”,包括历史和社会的方方面面。比如爱尔兰移民黑帮的美利坚沉浮往事可以一直从《纽约黑帮》讲到《无间道风云》;飞行大亨霍华德•休斯所处的年代,好莱坞一派纸醉金迷。《出租车司机》Travis Bickle则在一片颓废的现代大都市生活背景中,被孤独与无望吞没。当然最常见的一个要素还要数意大利裔社区(《穷街陋巷》《好家伙》),同为意大利裔移民后代的斯科塞斯,在早年的生活中对这些环境因素保存着至今详尽而不失客观的记忆。
《愤怒的公牛》里的故事便发生在这样一个社区里。杰克•拉莫塔是一位蛮牛一般的拳手,性格里满是偏执,具有不屈服的内在。在一个黑帮根系庞大的社会里,这样一名暴烈的拳手也不得不向帮会低头,打上一场令其伤心痛苦的放水赛。落寞英雄有一天也会落到上酒馆讲几个粗俗的笑话还没人捧场的境地。本片基于拉莫塔的自传,却没有花很多的笔墨来描写角色在职业上的成长,也不像同时期科波拉的影片那样具有明显的心理主义,而是把他放入一个详细的背景中,让他“随着历史车轮滚动”。斯科塞斯在谈到关于影片主题的时候说:“我认为这里的杰克是个曾经辉煌,但自作自受落得如今潦倒下场的人,但这时的他反而得到了心灵的平静。而最终他对着镜中的自己自言自语,告诉自己要轻松面对人生和生命中的其他人。这就是我们拍摄本片的目的。”杰克•拉莫塔的悲剧在于试图以一己之蛮力打通自己的人生而最终头破血流,当他的力量因为与环境愈发脱离而变得具有破坏性时,自我毁灭便不可避免。影片末尾,拉莫塔对着镜子感怀了一下人生,这时候他内在的不屈服已经带有深深的无力感,也许这种平静是个稍许令人宽慰的精神状态——但仍然令我唏嘘不已。
在拉莫塔个人生活的呈现方式上,斯科塞斯一如既往地现实主义;大部分镜头采用深焦摄影,来自平常的视角并持续相对较长的时间,以一种充满纪实性的方式剪辑。按照巴赞的理论,这种较少人为控制的方式能够为观众保留更多现实复杂性;而在拳击场景中,则更多地偏向具有强烈表现风格的技巧,以尽可能有效地向观众传递关键信息。在70年代以前,大部分拳击赛的镜头来自观众席视角,而斯科塞斯决定要让这些场景更真实化——或者说更具表现力——这里并不矛盾——而让摄影机贴近演员,并采用拳手的主观视角。两种拍摄风格的对比是本片的一大成就。举个例子,在与Janiro比赛之前,Jake的妻子评论Janiro“长得帅又受欢迎”搞得Jake大为光火,在这段表现生活琐碎的场景中,Jake的怒火在积蓄,并在随后的拳击赛中残暴地痛扁了Janiro,这个仅有1分钟的一片段充满对观众感受的剪辑操控:
(……这时拉莫塔已经把Janiro打爆并逼到场边围栏)
a, 略仰角度拍摄,La Motta继续猛击Janiro;
b, 升格镜头下La Motta的手套接触对手鼻子并停留、将其打歪;
c, 极短暂的切回La Motta凶残的表情;
d, 升格镜头,鲜血从Janiro脸上迸出;
e, Janiro主观视角,对手正甩开膀子,积蓄最强大的能量把左拳向自己抡来;
f, 重新回到a视角,Janiro踉跄着躲避对手蛮牛般的进攻,摄影机随之转为La Motta的PoV视角;
g, 再次给Janiro的PoV,对手又来一波;
h, 画面高光失焦,Janiro被这一拳打昏了头……
I, 而La Motta似乎余怒未消,j. 不过他的对手已经失去意识,摄影机随着他倒下的动作而一起转了个90度。
——一个破坏力极强与暴力失控的La Motta便这样通过两种风格的画面组合而呈现出来。
“斯科塞斯善用美国流行摇滚音乐宝藏来为电影镜头下的世界与人物作批注的独到品味,算是其电影作品中众多的注册标记之一,在他的影片中出现的每一首歌曲都会跟着影像与情节作一次深刻的搭配演出”。即使是一个对斯科塞斯不甚了解的观众来说,《愤怒的公牛》一片开场和结束的《乡村骑士间奏曲》也能够为影片的情绪定下完美的基调:它提醒观众这不是一部励志片,德尼罗在升格镜头下,独自在拳击场热身,配合这段乐曲,颇有一种尘埃落定和往昔已逝的感慨。
——于是我们不禁想问:是什么造成了拉莫塔的自我毁灭?直接的原因是他对妻子和兄弟的不信任,这种不安全感促生了他对暴力的失控,所谓“恐惧导致攻击”。而更深层次的原因,我认为则是狭隘的家庭观念和人生见解。这一定与他所在的环境有所关联,或者缺乏文化见识,或者是是意大利裔社区积久成疾的黑帮势力所造成的性格扭曲,所以拉莫塔的悲剧,无疑也是一个社会的缩影。
我无意强调斯科塞斯的电影里,环境因素/宿命元素是单调的主题。对作者电影单一式的论断往往面临落入窠臼的危险,但很明显地,这是斯科塞斯有别于同时期其他导演的一个显著特征,这也许就是人们称他为“电影社会学家”的原因之一吧。
不可思议的好,真感觉斯科塞斯是拍飞了,完全不是他后来标签式的喷荷尔蒙,而是弄出了纯意大利电影范儿。肉身隐匿,一个疲倦的魂魄影像在游荡,这是这片最诡异特别的地方。
本来以为这会是一部充斥着男性荷尔蒙,相当给力的电影,没想到节奏却如此缓慢,而且巴拉巴拉的台词没完没了,有没有必要拍那么长啊,实在没耐心看下去了。
5A+的影片。充满了光影,细节,蒙太奇,以及德尼罗稚嫩却本分的表演。马丁真是猛力一击把所有他能想到的招儿都用上了,就是逼着所有人叫好。
蒂尼罗在本片的表演绝对影帝级!马丁再一次深刻的诠释了上世纪40年代的美国社会现状,带入了黑色的思考。不过本片还是因为老罗,对杰克·拉莫塔这个角色的人物性格,内心的痛楚和病态,把这样的坚强又如此的刚愎自用的人刻画的淋漓尽致。据说德尼罗在里面的身材完全是自己增肥而不是化妆的。8.5分
血脉贲张!幸好导演处理成了黑白的。
once I was blind but now I can see,see through the truth... ps:得知最后他晚年那个肥胖不是化妆而是增肥一股敬佩油然而生啊
一只愤怒的、偏执的、不畏世俗的公牛。当全世界都站在右边,他却一直靠左,成为俗世里不肯媚俗的疯子。对于爱情,他狭隘得失去理性,怀疑一切,轻贱一切,惟我独尊。最后的最后,岁月积淀,尘埃落定以后才懂得,once I was blind but now I can see,see through the truth...
在那个年代里,老马的电影都很相近,也很经典,人物刻画相当充分,德尼罗诠释得也极其到位,这部片子给人对于命运以及社会生活的状态,人性的思考等都有很大震撼,黑白片的处理更加突出了整部影片的要义。
至今仍是最爱。这才是传记,一切服务一角,别无杂物。从台下到台上的长镜头,大量笔墨刻画的家庭纷争,分别反映他最极端的双重面貌。当他为了逃避责任果断破坏曾经为之卖命的荣誉,你再也看不到赞颂或讽刺,轻狂已逝,"我只知道我曾眼瞎,现在重见光明"。灰暗的镜头,丰富的性格色彩。
此片的第一次献给大银幕真是太正确了,片子实在太干净了,毫不拖沓。一次次比赛前后,台下的愤怒,暴虐,猜疑等造就了这头宁死不屈的公牛。太厌恶德尼罗这个角色了,却最后被他充满生命力与斗志的信念感动得一塌糊涂,伟大的表演!
领悟不多,感触不深~~
这片子冗长、沉闷、焦躁、压抑,拍的这么累,我看的这么累,最后德尼罗对着镜子说I'm the boss我都快哭了,生活不属于他,生活大得同化了一切,这电影绝不是在呈现肤浅的咆哮或愤怒,也远不同于Fight Club那种宣泄、抗争和解脱。它在讲存在的荒谬,在讲销魂蚀骨的孤独、无奈,无可依靠、无可解脱。
第一次看到如此“不励志”的拳击电影,简直就是体育版taxi driver啊,马丁斯科塞斯真的是愤青了一辈子。德尼罗和乔佩西都演得好棒!这个小心眼又不服输的男人真是栩栩如生。剪辑也赞(尤其拳击段落那个升腾的热气),马丁的御用女剪辑得了三座小金人。。。
1.罗伯特德尼罗的封神之作,乔佩西的出山之作 2. 教科书的剪切,但拳击场景不够真实 3. 德尼罗为戏牺牲的精神,想必感染了后来的蝙蝠侠 4. 疑心过重的人,再能打也不够用,共勉之
我只知道:我曾经眼瞎,现在,我重见光明;不安与无畏、冷淡与狂热混合的矛盾体,任命运风生水起或急转直下,他永远只是一头愤怒的公牛。
1.谁还敢成为拳击手的女人?敢于成为拳击手的女人都是勇敢的女人。2.深刻领教到了罗伯特和乔·佩西的演技。3.大面积的黑色有如黑色丝绸般的美丽。
重看@filmoteca 这种几乎所有角色都是傻逼,三观在我看来简直恶心的片子很难去共情(大概我不喜欢马丁很大程度上是因为他不少片子都是如此)因此从头到尾不管剧情是否有高潮都内心毫无波动,但好在还有德尼罗的表演和几段极其精彩的剪辑。
靠,Rober De Niro演的实在他妈太好了。最后一句圣经怎么有点莫名其妙的?
加一星:极端中心的人物与对话的可能。前排对摄影和剪辑的感受绝赞。作为传记片,人物的塑造极为成功(尽管个人完全不认同)。但是时代意涵及社会机制的呈现都是如此空无,看到最后简直开始怀疑自己是不是睡了两个小时(明明是最清醒的一场)。个人对这种拍法欣赏不能。第一部马丁/(或许)待重看
松仁威秀二刷,身體性抓得很好!某種粗礪而生猛的chaos描述(噪雜音景),40s風格(如Body and Soul、Life magazine)卻更加爆裂憤怒不穩定的獨特性。黑白影調讓多場戲(拳擊賽、俱樂部、酒吧、監獄等)的背景取消、煙霧繚繞,取得一致性;再次扣回也延續至The King of Comedy的主角人設。劇作其實是相當單純,抓著男人的缺陷走(猜忌、自大、虛妄,終至身體膨脹,有點想起最偉大的美國夢悲劇Citizen Kane),也讓女人的立場與觀點清晰旁落(Cathy Moriarty有幾幕想起Kim Novak),但他本質上不過是想成功的窮小子,在擂台上伴隨惆悵音符對虛無揮拳的一縷幽魂,年輕還能多少掌握自己身體(並重擊對手),後來連體重都控制不了,遑論黑幕重重的複雜世故。